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Revitalize Pioneer Square

There is some talk that Elliott Bay Book Company may move to Capitol Hill. I love EBBC and would hate to see them move, but I wouldn’t blame them. If they move I blame the city which has allowed Pioneer Square to rot. Bremerton Mayor Cary Bozeman was right when he criticized Seattle for the ne... more

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  1. Get rid of the homeless and drug dealers.

  2. I'm surprised there aren't more comments about how high the rents are in Pioneer Square. They are high all over the city, but I think Pioneer Square, they are out of line, and is one of the reasons it is being left to the derelicts. I always get suspicious that the developers have some devious plan afoot when I see a lot of empty offices, but no one is interested in lowering their rents. If they lowered their rents, small, local businesses would flock there. I suspect one of the issues is the locatio... more

  3. Jen Kelly: You talk much more and we'll stop listening. Pioneer Square is a perfectly safe tourist attraction and, yes, it's easy to score some pot there, but you and the other back-seat city planners here can't blame potheads or homeless people for it's current decay.

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    We can and should revitalize Pioneer Square. It is the birthplace of our city, it is WALKable, BIKEable and RIDEable. We want more housing -market rate housing. We have it all, arts, restaurants, professional and commercial business, trees, history, people of all walks, colors and incomes. Let's make it work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Good posts of what the city is doing with the Revitalization Committee here:

    www.thenewpioneersquare.com

  6. The problem is that it is a historical neighborhood which restricted construction code. Lift it. and you will see developer flocking in. Save us all some money.

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    Pioneer Square and the International District, the cultural and gastronomic heart of the city, with treelined pedestrian/bike friendly streets, and glorious historic architecture.

    Can this area be yuppified into a eco-mecca, complete with a natural foods flagship store, alternative and Oriental health purveyors, and trendy brick residences fronting on the shimmering blue Puget Sound (sans decrepit Viaduct)? Yes we can!!!

    Will we displace the homeless population and drug culture? Yes we will, but ... more

  8. My dad used to bring me downtown and a day in Pioneer Square and the EBBS was a always a highlight. Its such a cozy warm inspiring place. Don't let the core of our City slip away.

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    Pioneer Square has a lot to offer as a neighborhood! I am not just talking about the all the vital homeless services, or the plentiful section 8 housing, or all the cheap drugs, (enjoyed by most of the people in section 8 housing. You know who you are!). Nope it isn’t even the cornucopia of wonderful smells of human waste wafting out of almost every doorway and alley.

    No the real beauty of Pioneer Square is in it history! It is in its architecture, its rich artist community as well as long list of r... more

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    Here is a great example of what can happen in a revitalized, smart resurrection of a historic neighborhood: http://www.meatpacking-district.com/flash3.html. This area was derelict, dangerous etc only 12 years ago. Pioneer Square has the same potential. I agree with another commenter that the NEIGHBORHOOD aspect of Pioneer Square should be emphsized (i.e. parks, kids parks, community centers, etc.)

  11. I believe that if we ban private vehicles from Pioneer Square we will kill it stone-dead.

    And I don't see what we would even theoretically gain.

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    The easiest and most effective move to revitalize Pioneer Square will be to make it the first neighborhood closed to traffic (except buses and trams). As for the homeless; they do not own Pioneer Square and their presence there is an historical accident. Yes, we need to provide many more services for the homeless to turn them into homeful. But they do not own Pioneer Square and it is a big mistake to just give it up them. The entire city owns Pioneer Square.

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    Yesterday i heard that plans are underway to use the Square to max out its valuable development potential...ie the public sold out once again (HUD and contractor ties) While in email this morning "UN General Assembly proclaims 2012 the International Year of Co-operatives ". Connecting the dots – I say lets jump the line and buy a building. fashionRIP Project needs a multidisciplinary space with workshops, gallery , relevant retail and this combo will generate the auxiliary biz that is the nex... more

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    I have to say, I think there is a great list of suggestions growing about this topic of revitalizing Pioneer Square. I especially like the sentiment that this is first and foremost a 'neighborhood.' I think there is a lot of merit in utilizing commerce/retail to lend vitality and boost the image of the neighborhood and I do think there needs to be a healthy balance of policing to jump-start an atmosphere of safety.

    That being said, I think the one thing that this argument lacks is a matter of compass... more

  15. I find it interesting as a Certified QuickBooks ProAdvisor that I get calls over the city (and some as far away as Bellingham) for my QuickBooks, Point of Sale, and Quicken set up, review, and training services but none from Pioneer Square even though I have no problem making a house call to help out a struggling start up or company.

    I wonder why that is so?

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    It's also important to not just attract ANY kind of business. You need LOCAL support. Big chain restaurants attract transient, non neighborhood people. Make it a center for LOCAL commerce. Don't make it a Times Square tourist joyride that every local avoids like the plague. Smaller restaurants, art galleries, creative businesses combined with a park for KIDS and adults (as mentioned above). The meatpacking district was a trouble spot in NYC but it was resurrected with all of the above and now it is THRIV... more

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    We need easy rail transit that connects Pike Place Market, South Lake Union and Pioneer Square with stops in between. Pioneer Square is low and far away, a trudge on foot, but to tap the tourists of Pike Place Market and the locals of South Lake Union people would FLOCK to PS with the right retail/park/entertainment mix. It can be done!

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    sleepernw

    Bring change to Pioneer Square by lowering retail rents to create new business growth. Bring all- year long destination tenants such as a House of Blues , ESPN sportsbar or move FOX Sports grille to the area. These are fixes that could change the area to start

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    The Pioneer Square District should go hand in hand with the Pike Place Market with regard to it's overall experience. Clean, Fun, Safe, and a place that tourists and locals alike can enjoy and remember as their fabulous Seattle experience.

    As it sits now, it's more or less a dump. I don't even go there unless it's Sunday and the Seahawks are playing.

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    help Pioneer Square in Seattle by offering incentives/grants or other help for co-op workshop, gallery, store, multi discipline use spaces where green retrofit experiments can retool the buildings and sociocratic decision making processes can be applied among members. A multi learning, multi purpose experiment for the future.
    After all we know that Biz as usual is a death sentence so what the hey....take a leap of faith and recreate the system from the street and grassroots up.
    Fighting what we fear ... more

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